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		<title>The Loopy Effect Loop</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A common question I am being asked frequently is if my amps have an effect loop. The answer is a BIG NO. Here is why!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="mceTemp mceIEcenter" style="text-align: left;">A common question I am being asked frequently is if my amps have an <strong>FX loop</strong>. The answer is a <strong>BIG NO</strong>. Here is why&#8230;</div>
<div id="attachment_177" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 557px"><img class="size-large wp-image-177" title="fx loop" src="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/fx-loop-1024x680.jpg" alt="Guitar pedal board routing" width="547" height="363" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Guitar pedal board routing</p></div>
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<p><strong>Long Live FX Loops (but not in my amps)!</strong></p>
<p>Honestly, I have nothing against <em>effect loops</em>. They have their role in certain high gain amps and do what&#8217;s needed to be done greatly: tapping into the preamp output signal, and making it available (via a tube or a solid state buffer to level out any possible impedance mismatches) to external FX processors then returning it in the amp&#8217;s power stage.</p>
<p>But if I graft a typical active <strong>FX loop</strong> as we know it, (and believe me, I tried it) in any of my Low-Gain <a title="Gabriel V18 Amp" href="http://www.gabtone.com/V18.htm" target="_self">Gabriel V18</a> or <a title="Gabriel V33 Head" href="http://www.gabtone.com/V33_head.htm" target="_self">V33</a>, the tone morphs into  something way far from the typical character and dynamics, with a noticeable gain loss that results in a wimpy sound, something that is the last thing on my menu.</p>
<p><strong>High Gain vs Low Gain Amps</strong></p>
<p>Leaving all &#8220;class-talk&#8221; behind, there are generally two kind of guitar amps on the market today:</p>
<p><strong>High Gain</strong> amps, where the signal gets over driven in the preamp, then served further to the power section that does little more than just amplify it. So in a high-gain amp, the majority of the tone characteristics are typically shaped in the preamp.<br />
Here, the <em>effect loop</em> makes great sense since the signal sent to the effect processors has already an identity without loosing anything of its original character.</p>
<p><strong>Low Gain</strong> amps where the tone is not saturated in the preamp section (the signal is quite clean at the preamp output) but rather by the power tubes when driven at higher volume levels. This results in a very characteristic overdrive shape distinct to these kind of amps. The <a title="Gabriel Amps" href="http://www.gabtone.com" target="_self">Gabriel amps</a> fit in this category.</p>
<p>Now, besides the fact that grafting a buffered <em>effect loop</em> into my <em>low gain</em> <strong>Gabriel V18</strong> or <strong>V33</strong> might come close to a blasphemy punishable by being burned at the stake, it would make no sense since the clean preamp signal still needs to receive its character and overdrive from the power tubes and an effected preamp output signal will alter the final character of the tone, robbing it of its precious gain and dynamics that&#8217;s so needed for the power tubes to do their magic.</p>
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<p><strong>The Workaround</strong></p>
<p>As I often mention, the <a title="The 18 watt forums" href="http://www.18watt.com" target="_self">18 watt Forum</a> is a wealth of information with a lot of folks who are willing share their guitar amp building tips and wisdom. And that&#8217;s how I found out about this cool way of wiring your <strong>Gabriel V18</strong> or <strong>V33</strong> (or 18 watt amp for that matter) so it can simulate a wet/dry scenario of an FX Loop. In fact it is more than a simulation &#8211; it is a real effect routing with separate control on the <em>dry</em> and <em>wet</em> signal.</p>
<p>Simply, go with your guitar in the <strong>BRIGHT</strong> channel, then with another guitar cord, patch in the parallel jack of that same <strong>BRIGHT</strong> channel (this is your <em>FX Send</em>) and plug it into your <em>FX chain input</em>. The output of your <em>guitar pedal board</em> (<em>FX Return</em>) will go into the <strong>NORMAL</strong> channel input (I like to use the lower input jack).</p>
<p>This way you control your <em>dry signal</em> with the <strong>BRIGHT</strong> channel and the <em>wet signal</em> with your <em>NORMAL</em> channel. Simple as that! Diagrams below to help explain:</p>
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<div id="attachment_168" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 716px"><img class="size-full wp-image-168" title="Pseudo_FX_LOOP" src="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/FX-LOOP.jpg" alt="Pseudo FX Loop Diagram" width="706" height="253" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Pseudo FX Loop Diagram</p></div>
<p>Now, you can get creative here. You can group your pedals per channel having even more control over the levels.</p>
<p>For instance you can  have all your overdrive pedals right in front of your amp going into the <strong>BRIGHT</strong> channel and have all modulation pedals placed in the <em>FX Loop</em>, going into the <strong>NORMAL</strong> channel.</p>
<p>This way you have independent control (on the <strong>NORMAL</strong> channel) over the amount of modulated signal from your modulation pedals grouped within the FX Loop.  The guitar signal going into the modulation pedal group FX Loop will already be &#8216;effected&#8217; by the overdrive pedal group you have going into the <strong>BRIGHT</strong> channel &#8211; but in this routing you control your balance between the <em>over driven</em> and <em>modulated</em> tone. Diagram below that explains what I mean:</p>
<div id="attachment_169" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 716px"><img class="size-full wp-image-169 " title="FX-LOOP-2" src="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/FX-LOOP-2.jpg" alt="FX Loop 2" width="706" height="253" /><p class="wp-caption-text">FX Loop 2</p></div>
<p>Yes, the two channels are out of phase on my amps. So if you would patch the two channels directly with a cable, the tone will sound boxy. But when there&#8217;s a pedal chain on its path, it really doesn&#8217;t matter since the tone is already processed and you cannot perceive the <em>out of phase</em> coloration.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a detail of the amp channel connection:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a class="tt-flickr tt-flickr-Medium" title="Guitar Pedalboard Connection Detail" href="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/gallery/photo/4249482557/guitar-pedalboard-connection-detail.html"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4249482557_b3af173f80.jpg" alt="Guitar Pedalboard Connection Detail" width="500" height="333" /></a></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">It is a very simple setup that literally gives you the same options that an <em>FX Loop</em> would offer but without compromising the tone, or any of the internal circuitry, and having the full rich tone of the overdriven power tubes.</p>

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		<title>Meeting Vernon Reid of LIVING COLOUR</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gabi</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This last weekend I had the honor of meeting, hang out with Vernon Reid and witness the best show I ever saw in my life by his band LIVING COLOUR at the Double Door in Chicago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This past weekend I had the honor of meeting, hang out with <a title="Vernon Reid of LIVING COLORS" href="http://www.myspace.com/vernonreid" target="_self"><strong>Vernon Reid</strong></a> and witness the best show I ever saw in my life with <a title="Living Colour" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Colour" target="_self"><strong>LIVING COLOUR</strong></a> at the Double Door in Chicago. Also introduced him to my <a title="Gabriel V33 1x12&quot; Combo" href="http://www.gabtone.com/V33_head.htm" target="_self">Gabriel V33 1&#215;12&#8243; Combo</a> he absolutely LOVED! He is a master of high gain amps but very interested in alternatives for guitar tones and found the V33 a versatile guitar amp.</p>
<p><a class="tt-flickr tt-flickr-Medium" title="Gabriel &amp; Vernon Reid" href="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/gallery/photo/3987800156/gabriel-vernon-reid.html"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3987800156_c263557ff1.jpg" alt="Gabriel &amp; Vernon Reid" width="500" height="332" /></a></p>
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<div id="attachment_141" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-141" title="Vernon and Mayor Bloomberg" src="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Vernon-and-Mayor-Bloomberg-300x218.jpg" alt="John Stamos, Vernon Reid and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg" width="300" height="218" /><p class="wp-caption-text">John Stamos, Vernon Reid and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg (photo&#39;s courtesy of Earl Douglas)</p></div>
<p><strong>A Musical Genius</strong></p>
<p>Vernon is the <strong>LIVING COLOUR</strong> founder, bandleader, co-founder of the <a title="Black Rock Coalition" href="http://www.blackrockcoalition.org/" target="_self"><strong>Black Rock Coalition</strong></a>, and an incredible guitarist and songwriter, that had greatly influenced the National and International rock scene. Just recently he was awarded <em>NYC&#8217;s 2009 Mayor’s Awards for Arts &amp; Culture</em> presented by New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg. He is working on multiple projects which he details in <a title="Vernon Reid's interview with Fret 12" href="http://www.fret12.com/VR_media.html" target="_self">his interview with Fret 12</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Very Approachable</strong></p>
<p>I was surprised to see how approachable Vernon is! He doesn&#8217;t have an aura of an artist yet he is a <strong>musical genius</strong>. Being in the guitar amp business I get to meet a lot of artists and it&#8217;s just interesting to see how some have a <em>don&#8217;t-touch-me-I&#8217;m-a-rock-star</em> attitude (even if they honestly suck in their creativity), and some like Vernon even if they are influencing whole a world with their musical artistry, are humble, simple and just like any others from the crowd.</p>
<p>It is something to ponder.</p>
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<div id="attachment_146" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a title="LIVING COLOUR - The Chair in the Doorway" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GSXJKC?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=carlsantshoe-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=390957&amp;amp;creativeASIN=B002GSXJKC" target="_self"><img class="size-medium wp-image-146" title="The chair in the doorway" src="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/The-chair-in-the-doorway-300x300.jpg" alt="The chair in the doorway" width="300" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The Chair In The Doorway</p></div>
<p>I always heard that <strong>LIVING COLOUR</strong> show is a must-seen one, but I got to experience it on my goose-bumped skin. I was speechless, and still am.</p>
<p>They are touring with their newly released 5th album <a title="The Chair In The Doorway - LIVING COLOUR" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GSXJKC?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=carlsantshoe-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B002GSXJKC" target="_blank"><strong>The Chair In The Doorway</strong></a>, but also had a ton of older songs from their previous albums. Each band member is an outstanding musician by themselves, but also when they come together as a band they simply bring down the house.</p>
<p>Considering <a title="Will Calhoun" href="http://www.myspace.com/nativelands" target="_self">Will Calhoun</a>&#8217;s mind-blowing drum solo (10 min or so), an incredible virtuoso bass performance from <a title="Doug Wimbish" href="http://www.myspace.com/dougwimbish" target="_self">Doug Wimbish</a>, the stunning vocal abilities of <a title="Corey Glover" href="http://www.myspace.com/coreyglover" target="_self">Corey Glover</a> and last but not least the innovative master of all guitars and sound morphing, Mr. <a title="Vernon Reid" href="http://www.myspace.com/vernonreid" target="_self">Vernon Reid</a>, the LIVING COLOUR show delivered something really hard to equal these days.</p>
<p>The show cannot be described &#8211; <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>IT MUST BE SEEN!</strong></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a class="tt-flickr tt-flickr-Medium" title="Living Color Double Door Set list" href="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/gallery/photo/3987800896/living-color-double-door-set-list.html"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2460/3987800896_048cf82078.jpg" alt="Living Color Double Door Set list" width="500" height="332" /></a> <a class="tt-flickr tt-flickr-Medium" title="Vernon Reid and Gabriel V33 Combo" href="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/gallery/photo/3987799724/vernon-reid-and-gabriel-v33-combo.html"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2458/3987799724_37962557fd.jpg" alt="Vernon Reid and Gabriel V33 Combo" width="500" height="332" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a class="tt-flickr tt-flickr-Medium" title="Vernon Reid and Gabriel Amp" href="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/gallery/photo/3987800482/vernon-reid-and-gabriel-amp.html"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2531/3987800482_c50f90e523.jpg" alt="Vernon Reid and Gabriel Amp" width="500" height="332" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a class="tt-flickr tt-flickr-Medium" title="Vernon Reid checking Guitar Tone" href="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/gallery/photo/3987800570/vernon-reid-checking-guitar-tone.html"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/3987800570_fe53c8fe62.jpg" alt="Vernon Reid checking Guitar Tone" width="500" height="332" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a class="tt-flickr tt-flickr-Medium" title="Living Colours at Double Door, Chicago" href="http://www.soundgaragetales.com/gallery/photo/3987046239/living-colours-at-double-door-chicago.html"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2634/3987046239_f815f9207e.jpg" alt="Living Colours at Double Door, Chicago" width="500" height="332" /></a></p>
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